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cindywrites's fault, for talking to Buffy about Veronica Mars. Some of it is ocvictor's, for talking about how Veronica's going undercover uses societies prejudices against it.
And I was thinking about...well, it's a long chain through many fandoms that arrives at this point, but the point is, I realized this:
Buffy:Superman::Veronica:Batman. It's also reasonable to say that Batman:Superman::Veronica:Buffy.
I could probably do some digging, find actual historical genetics for the characters (i.e.--what of Superman was passed on to the creation and evolution of Batman, and how that compares to Buffy and Veronica), but I mean more in the individual character sense. We've got two attractive men who are leading double lives as crime-fighters, using techniques not readily available to the general public or police. Switch the gender (and possible "crime" for "evil"), and you've got Buffy and Veronica. Bats and Supes live in large urban environments (both possible Analogues for NYC). Buffy and Veronica life in relatively small Southern California towns
Buffy and Supes are able to depend their innate strength and abilities to help them prevail in most situations. They're, on the side of the angels (in the metaphorical sense). There are a few exceptions to this, but they're notable because it goes against the very core of the character for both. They tend to fight villains who are evil is a big, sweeping way (BtVS even acknowledged that the Trio were kinda lame, being rather mundane), but in a way that is a metaphor that speaks to their audiences (this is my impression of the general pattern, and the ones that work best. There are, of course, exceptions, and I don't know comics as well as I should to really make this argument). While these guys may have some issues with the whole double-life thing, they're relatively well-adjusted, evidenced by their most significant significant other (over the course of the canon) being someone who shares their side of the battle against evil (I'd say Angel is this for Buffy, though that's far from consensus in fandom)
Veronica and Bats, on the other hand, sit on the edge of society, using their learned skills (and, I think, significantly, their gadgets) to dispense their own justice, which The Powers That Be can't or won't. Their morality is much more...murky? relative? individual? All those things. The villains may be caricatures of real-life "bad guys", but still pretty recognizable, most of the time (same caveat as above). While, for Clark and Buffy, I think both of their identities are "true" parts of themselves, these two regularly take on identities that seem deeply at odds with their true selves, purely masks put on to get what they want from people (that these are bimbo airheads most of the time is just humorous, IMO). They may not be technically crazy, but, seriously, guys, find yourselves therapists. They've also had significant significant others who have made their long-term residence in the moral grey area (even compared to the less-than-white of our heroes), and deeply unequal relationships with their comrades in the fight for good (I'm sure Wallace would be thrilled to learn that he's Robin).
And that's not even getting into their collected parent issues.
What's my point? I don't know. But I'd kinda like to see The Veronica/Buffy Adventures.
cindywrites's fault, for talking to Buffy about Veronica Mars. Some of it is ocvictor's, for talking about how Veronica's going undercover uses societies prejudices against it.And I was thinking about...well, it's a long chain through many fandoms that arrives at this point, but the point is, I realized this:
Buffy:Superman::Veronica:Batman. It's also reasonable to say that Batman:Superman::Veronica:Buffy.
I could probably do some digging, find actual historical genetics for the characters (i.e.--what of Superman was passed on to the creation and evolution of Batman, and how that compares to Buffy and Veronica), but I mean more in the individual character sense. We've got two attractive men who are leading double lives as crime-fighters, using techniques not readily available to the general public or police. Switch the gender (and possible "crime" for "evil"), and you've got Buffy and Veronica. Bats and Supes live in large urban environments (both possible Analogues for NYC). Buffy and Veronica life in relatively small Southern California towns
Buffy and Supes are able to depend their innate strength and abilities to help them prevail in most situations. They're, on the side of the angels (in the metaphorical sense). There are a few exceptions to this, but they're notable because it goes against the very core of the character for both. They tend to fight villains who are evil is a big, sweeping way (BtVS even acknowledged that the Trio were kinda lame, being rather mundane), but in a way that is a metaphor that speaks to their audiences (this is my impression of the general pattern, and the ones that work best. There are, of course, exceptions, and I don't know comics as well as I should to really make this argument). While these guys may have some issues with the whole double-life thing, they're relatively well-adjusted, evidenced by their most significant significant other (over the course of the canon) being someone who shares their side of the battle against evil (I'd say Angel is this for Buffy, though that's far from consensus in fandom)
Veronica and Bats, on the other hand, sit on the edge of society, using their learned skills (and, I think, significantly, their gadgets) to dispense their own justice, which The Powers That Be can't or won't. Their morality is much more...murky? relative? individual? All those things. The villains may be caricatures of real-life "bad guys", but still pretty recognizable, most of the time (same caveat as above). While, for Clark and Buffy, I think both of their identities are "true" parts of themselves, these two regularly take on identities that seem deeply at odds with their true selves, purely masks put on to get what they want from people (that these are bimbo airheads most of the time is just humorous, IMO). They may not be technically crazy, but, seriously, guys, find yourselves therapists. They've also had significant significant others who have made their long-term residence in the moral grey area (even compared to the less-than-white of our heroes), and deeply unequal relationships with their comrades in the fight for good (I'm sure Wallace would be thrilled to learn that he's Robin).
And that's not even getting into their collected parent issues.
What's my point? I don't know. But I'd kinda like to see The Veronica/Buffy Adventures.
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Date: 2006-01-15 01:44 am (UTC)You think Buffy more than Veronica? Really. Huh. V seems to sublimate things. I don't know that the "finding the killer" is really all that healthy a grief response (even for her psyche). And she has an even worse time than Buffy with interpersonal stuff. Why do you think Buffy needs one more?
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Date: 2006-01-15 02:13 am (UTC)Well, I think Veronica showed a lot of strength, kicking Logan to the curb. I think Buffy would have tried to fix him, don't you? That said, I'm not sure Buffy needs it more. If you'd only asked which two of the four most needed it, I would have said Bats and Veronica.
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